After much experimentation with multiple thousands of charts, there was a recognition that the core influence associated with a planet bore the same characteristics between the systems. However, the heliocentric planets are functioning on a different wave length, so they are not completely interchangeable between the two systems. Maintaining identification of the system is necessary.
Each planet in each system has its own implications, yet within the framework traditionally associated with its influence. For example, both geo and helio Venus are linked with sociability, things valued, and a sense of success, but helio Venus seeks wider recognition than will satisfy geo Venus urges. The romantic implications of geo Venus may lead to a wedding, but the helio Venus becomes prominent if the wedding is a grand ceremony with a large guest list. Helio Venus is not intimately personal like geo Venus, unless one considers it in the light of what the successes and status it seeks does for the ego. And here we return to the significance of the Sun - helio.
The planetary influence from the heliocentric system draws us out to interact with the larger world, to those outside our more intimate circle of family, friends, and co-workers. It represents our status in the community or internationally; it is our public life and career; it is recognition or rejection by the wider world. The geocentric system is more significant of our private lives, although there are some exceptions to be considered when one gets into details.
As an overall concept, one can relate the heliocentric influence to the career and reputation Midheaven of the horoscope, and allocate the geocentric influence to the Ascendant and interests it represents. The divine discontent urging one to seek 'a place in the Sun' varies between individuals, and yet everyone does respond.
The constant interweaving between our public and private lives, as well as in our concepts of recognition or simple involvement with the larger world, defies a neat separation. After working with a dual system chart for years, which originally came about as a solution to enhance a comparison of the systems, and without any idea of the revelations which would ensue, using a combined chart seems to be the only practical method.
Erm, not quite sure about whoever wrote that above. Actually it contradicts the findings on heliocentric astrology being done by astrologers before; the heliocentric depicts the universe "as it is", not from our point of view on the earth, and thus usually astrologer relate it to the "(spiritual) reality/truth behind our personal experience". Something like that.
"In approaching this, the traditional geocentric astrological chart is a chart of your personality and the actual physical earth-centered circumstances in which you find yourself, while the heliocentric natal chart is a map of your more inner self. I like to call the heliocentric chart your ‘dharma chart,” because it is a chart of what is behind or supporting your persona. Remember the traditional astrology chart is a snapshot of what? It is a snapshot of the entire solar system as seen only from Earth’s perspective. The heliocentric (astronomer’s) chart is the actual chart of the solar system itself, of what the earth’s view is but a snapshot of. We need both views to be complete."
Philip Sedgwick also has a great writing on the heliocentric system. I just have to look for the book in my stuff. lol
Basically it seems to be a chart of the "higher Self" whatever that means to anyone. Some sort of spiritual energy/ knowledge/ awareness driving you to manifest things on earth (your trpical chart). So ouldn´t be further from the quoted author. lol
Helio Venus conjunct geo Mercury: you give expression of your core love energies (helio planets are always especially energized, as the fire of the sun is infusing them) in Mercurial terms on earth, communication, wirting etc. Possibly someone who couls write wonderful love novels with a lot of depth and energy behind them.
Exactly! That is the precise reason why I abandoned helio charts again.
Of course the inner as well as the outer is part of our charts anyway.
As for helio charts, I do look at them, but more so like watching things because of some aesthetical value, I don´t really get a feel for their meaning.
So yes P and me have some helio synastry that is very interesting, but I am just not sure what it really means, different from tropical. And this talk about higher Self, which I did myself years ago, it doesn`t really have meaning for me either anymore. So I feel a bit uncomfortable around those charts maybe I am just too dumb to get it.
Synastrically what we have is
my helio Mars 22 Scorpio his helio Uranus 21 Scorpio and geo Uranus 23 Scorpio my helio Jupiter 22 Pisces his geo Pholus 23 PIsces his geo ASC 25 Pisces
my helio Venus 19 Cap his helio Pluto 19 Libra - it is at least interesting that the square that is "missing" from our normal synastry, is showing up here
my helio Venus 19 Cap his helio Saturn 20 Virgo
my helio SAturn 13 Cancer his helio Juno 13 Cancer
his helio Venus 6 Pisces his helio Mars 5 Leo my helio Pluto 7 Libra
and some bits like this, but really, it just doesn`t really "grip" me, helio synastry (juast like sidereal doesn`t do this, while Draco grips me a lot).
P.S. I've also been confused about Helio charts. Not entirely on board with the signs. But I do relate to some of the aspects. Merc conj. Pluto (which, incidentally, I also have in my mercury persona chart, 0° orb). This makes sense to me, because I exhibit those traits, but I have no natal Merc-Pluto aspect. Although it is in Scorpio, so that contributes. However, in these charts, there is a conjunction between Mercury and Pluto, on my natal Pluto. So maybe there's something to it.
Venus is all over the place. Square Jupiter (both at critical degrees), trine Saturn, sesquiquadrate Uranus-Neptune, opposing Merc-Pluto. Yay.
Neptune widely squares Earth/moon too, so there's that. Helio's the best version of me, apparently, so we gotta hope that's the good sorta Neptune.
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