- Their synastry isn't that impressive; the luminaries don't aspect each other. That's not to say they cannot get along and stay together; but I think it leaves the relationship vulnerable, in times of stress.
- With a sun-Uranus-Chiron t-square in composite, there are bound to be periods of stress. However, the composite has a compelling "design"...with so many planets near the cusps, it seems the relationship is bound to be transformative (one sign leading into another, some at critical degrees.) The Venus-Mars-Juno conjunction on the Virgo-Libra Cusp is impressive, especially since it's conjunct her Vesta. Also, Venus-Mars-Juno tightly squares the NN and is on the moon/Uranus midpoint, giving this a "meant to be" kind of feel.
- The progressed composite sun in early Libra may still be picking up that Venus-Mars-Juno energy, and it's definitely conjunct her natal moon-Saturn-Jupiter, which falls into Harry's 8th house and is conjunct his Valentine. She must be an emotional powerhouse, and I'd imagine it affects him deeply.
The progressed composite moon is about to hit that wall of pr comp Saturn-Pluto, on his birthday this year. That could signify an ending, except pr comp Jupiter is conjunct the DSC, and transiting Jupiter will be close by @ 24 Libra. Hmm
"Their synastry isn't that impressive; the luminaries don't aspect each other. That's not to say they cannot get along and stay together; but I think it leaves the relationship vulnerable, in times of stress. " Yes, because their cores aren`t really touching each other. People without luminary aspects can of course get along, ,but usually once the first infatuation part is over they are living more side by side, than with each other.
There are exceptions of course and certain aspects can sometimes make up for the lack of luminary aspects.
- With a sun-Uranus-Chiron t-square in composite, there are bound to be periods of stress" Yes, this looks particularly difficult to me, especially since it involves Sun. But maybe they will really change some royal traditions?
. However, the composite has a compelling "design"...with so many planets near the cusps" Yes, Aries point is always impressive. Also quite fitting as the eyes of the world would be on them anyway. not as much as on his brother obviously, but still there.
," The Venus-Mars-Juno conjunction on the Virgo-Libra Cusp is impressive, especially since it's conjunct her Vesta. Also, Venus-Mars-Juno tightly squares the NN and is on the moon/Uranus midpoint, giving this a "meant to be" kind of feel. " Completely agree. Venus-Mars-Juno is their skipped step and something they need to integrate, so maybe they feel that extra push from that constellation, it gets very focalized, emphasized.
" The progressed composite sun in early Libra may still be picking up that Venus-Mars-Juno energy," No, I don`t think so. The Sun would have been on 00 Libra, 5 years ago, that is too much of a time span for a progression to pick up something. Wouldn`t explain why they got together NOW or in the last year.
But this I find the most important thing here
" and it's definitely conjunct her natal moon-Saturn-Jupiter, which falls into Harry's 8th house and is conjunct his Valentine. She must be an emotional powerhouse, and I'd imagine it affects him deeply. " Yes, but most of all the current identy/ being/ essence of the relationship itself affects HER deeply and possibly makes her want to commit to it wholeheartedly. Since his Valentine is there, he would feel the romantic notion of it as well, though this for him is not necessarily the reason why he feels committed to the relationship at the moment.
I think for him the reason of this is the progressed composite Venus, which is curiously unaspected in the pr composite herself, but conjunct, and applying, to his natal SAturn. So I think the romantic and relationship oriented quality of the connection and in particular the expression of affection which might be intense, is affecting him in multiple ways. It probably makes him aware of the conditions or even obstacles that HE poses to the relationship, some sort of individual limitations (making me think of his royalty really!), but it also softens his defenses probably. He craves that Venusian quality, that he might not find in her as an individual, but in the way they relate to each other, and that in turn makes him want to formalize the union, commit to it (though honestly? I am not sure they are going to last).
I also wonder how they are going to deal with the Transiting Saturn squaring their composite Mars-Venus-Juno AGAIN.
"The progressed composite moon is about to hit that wall of pr comp Saturn-Pluto, on his birthday this year. That could signify an ending,"
Yes, or it could make them cling to the relationship despite all difficulties and maybe even a freezing of feelings. It is also not only Saturn-Pluto, but it is a Saturn-Pluto-conjunction that is squaring a very emotional Cancer-Moon! And as if that was not enough, Tr Uranus is going to oppose Saturn-Pluto and squaring their Moon. I guess if they make it through THAT, they are going to make it through ANYTHING.
his Juno is on that composite Saturn-Pluto, so basically I think it means he REALLY wants that relationship with all its inherent limitations and rules and obligations, though it also squares his n ASC, with composite MOon conjunct the ASC, albeit a tad wide I think? He probably experiences this emotional nurturing quality mostly, almost in a mothering, caring, maternal way (does something about that makes up for the emotional loss of his mother? Wasn`t Lady Di a Cancer? ), but at the same time there is also a very rigid quality (SAturn-Pluto) to the relationship, and it interferes with his self-expression, being himself.
This might get an acute conflict for him this year, with Tr Uranus squaring his ASC (wanting to break free from constraints), which would of course also affect the emotional sharing in the relationship, as this is so tightly interwoven with his personality and expression of himself, and of course also getting a Tr-Uranu9s square. Though relationships can make it through them. I mean P and me had that for sure. lol
Tr Uranus squaring our composite Moon; but well in our case it was activating the composite Moon-Mars (square), in Harry`s and Meghan`s case it is activating composite Moon-Saturn/Pluto-square.
Anyway what I think is that Tr Uranus demands a reorientation and change in the way of relating. That could mean an ending or divorce, if you are being married already; but could as well mean a change in the relationship-definition, simply. Something has to change.
In our case the Transit to Moon and Mars was in 1 degree orb from May 2016 - april 2017, though it still is in tight applying square to his n Venus, which is conjunct our composite Moon, so they somehow affect each other mutually, his Venus and our Moon. lol
Curiously that means that after last year, charging our Moon-Mars-composite-aspect and therefore implementing the change, in the aftermath of it it will then continue to square his n Venus and n Juno and charge THAT for him individually and so on.
I just mention it because curiously enough, or maybe a proof of astrology?, this is what I would term the timespan when our ways of relating COMPLETELY changed. I mean you know it, right? So maybe that is simply what it means for Harry and Meghan, too, a change in relating, though honestly speaking I prefer Tr Uranus activating Moon-Mars instead of Moon-Saturn.
For her this affects her natal Pluto, at least widely, with the composite Saturn-Pluto being closish, and Tr Uranus opposing it. Pluto rules her MC, so I wouldn`t be surprised if that meant a tremendous change in status, which could be her becoming part of the royal family, or being unroyally dumped by a member of said family. Or dumping him herself. the composite Cancer-Moon squares her Pluto, maybe at some points it feels too cozy and close for her? She might not yet be ready to give up her own career to be a mother and royal consort? He seems too unreliable in his affections (due to Tr Uranus squaring his ASC)?
Or they could get married which of course would also be a distinct change in her status!
And then there is Tr Pluto squaring their composite ASC-DESC and composite Vertex, more change?
"except pr comp Jupiter is conjunct the DSC, and transiting Jupiter will be close by @ 24 Libra. Hmm"Y Yes but Jupiter curiously enough often is in such a prominent place for endings/ divorces, too. Even though it is hard for me to wrap my head around. I rather see him as bringing things or relationships together, and yes, Tr Jupiter will also meet up with pr Moon - so maybe they are steering into marriage?
composite Sun falls onto their Juno-Ceres-conjunction. composite MOon activates their Pluto-Node-square (which sounds decidedly more difficult, but giving them a meant-to-be-feeling, too, I guess; they are meant to transform each other)
composite Jupiter opposes his Moon, too, possibly giving him a reallly good and expansive feeling about the relationship, since his Moon also conjuncts her Chiron, the emotional attraction must be strong, maybe there seems to be an unspoken promise of emotional healing, coming home in a way, but of course with Chiron, the risk of having to face the own feelings of woundedness, esp. for her, is there as well
composite Venus-Juno widely conjuncts her Moon as it seems, and temporarily is being brightly illuminated by pr Sun - I wonder how she will feel once the pr Sun leaves her Moon though? Will the wide orb be enough to keep her attached to the relationship?
oh and btw I think I was swapping them, and what I wrote in my previous post about him, was actually about her, so it would be her with the Uranus-tension. So if someone here left the relationship, it probably would be her, not him.
I was also thinking she might be the one to leave, or he would arrange it so she felt no choice but to break up with him; he could do that to spare her dignity and avoid the bad press from breaking up with her.
Well that first came to mind for me when I saw the draco synastry:
Her draco sun conjunct his draco Chiron Her draco Uranus conjunct his draco sun in Cancer Her draco Neptune conjunct his draco Venus
(Supposedly, Neptune often breaks it off with Venus because Neptune grows leery of Venus' overblown affections, not seeing Venus as sincere, but a little deluded. That's what I've read, and that's what I've lived.)
Then I was looking at pics of them, and the body language is not inspiring:
In virtually every picture she seems to be reaching out, while he's clammed up, ignoring her, shaking her off. In one pic they're holding hands, but he's looking at their hands, as if he's thinking, "Do I really want to be doing this?"
"Anyway what I think is that Tr Uranus demands a reorientation and change in the way of relating. That could mean an ending or divorce, if you are being married already; but could as well mean a change in the relationship-definition, simply. Something has to change."
If I had more interest and patience I would be combing through the charts and ephemeris trying to pick the most pivotal dates for them. I really don't see how they could get married. He looks like he's just not that into her.
"I just mention it because curiously enough, or maybe a proof of astrology?, this is what I would term the timespan when our ways of relating COMPLETELY changed. I mean you know it, right?"
Tr Uranus was an absolute game changer in my life: when tr Uranus t-squared my Uranus and my husband's, we got together and got married.
He and I both have Venus-Uranus in aspect, with positive and tight Venus-Uranus syastry between ourselves. My DSC conjunct his pr DSC in Aquarius. Without all that underlying substance, maybe the Uranus "spark" wouldn't have caught fire and started roaring into a giant flame as it did.
You make so many great points up above. I might get back to them later...I want to check their individual progressed charts and progressed synastry when I have more time, too.
"I was also thinking she might be the one to leave, or he would arrange it so she felt no choice but to break up with him; he could do that to spare her dignity and avoid the bad press from breaking up with her. " Exactly my thoughts!
"(Supposedly, Neptune often breaks it off with Venus because Neptune grows leery of Venus' overblown affections, not seeing Venus as sincere, but a little deluded. That's what I've read, and that's what I've lived.)" Poor Jude then. his Venus conjuncts my Neptune. Well I`ve dreamed of him 2 nights ago, and it was the FIRST dream ever when he sort of "threatened" me. Well he basically abducted me. Strange.
Anyway, Venus-Neptune, what I`ve always found was that while this is romantic magic, at least for a time, and it can feel heavenly, for a time, there seems to be a bit of a misconception often, as Neptune is more about spiritual love, while Venus needs the personal affections, and sometimes Neptune cannot give this. While Venus affections might not be enough for the spiritual quest of Neptune.
And sometimes NEptune is simply a bit too delusional themselves, seeing more in Venus than she can really deliver. And Venus needs something more here-and-now.
"hen I was looking at pics of them, and the body language is not inspiring:" I was looking at the picts. And good god! I mean surely maybe it was because he felt uneasy of the photographs, but it seems he is more nto the other woman really. lol At least he is more open towards her and makes just barriers against his girlfriend, who is trying her best to get closer to him, though she does not look so convincing either.
"Tr Uranus was an absolute game changer in my life: when tr Uranus t-squared my Uranus and my husband's, we got together and got married. " Absolutely.
well as of now my Uranus and pr Uranus is squaring P`s pr IC -MC, and once that is done, we`ll have pr Moon on each other`s n DESC, and of course in the pr compospite pr Moon on n DESC as well, but that will be on 1 Leo, squaring my natal Uranus on 1 Scorpio and Tr Uranus on 1 Taurus.
But then again we`ve been having Uranus-synastry in the progressions from the moment we met. lol And it just got more acute in the recent years (we`ve actually started with a nice trine of my Uranus to his pr Venus, which then had been substituted by the square of his Uranus to my pr Venus, and the square of his Uranus to my pr Mercury probably will last a lifetime. lol And somewhen in between my uranus and pr Uranus were being square his pr Sun, pr Moon, pr Mercury as well.
I think when we met he did not only have pr Sun on his n Venus exact, but also pr DESC on his n Uranus, and right around now his pr Moon is applying to an opposition to his own Uranus, making of course a T-square with my pr Mercury. lol Ah there it is again, the Mercury-Uranus, just like in that other chart I showed you, of that concert in 2014.
Sorry I got distracted and these were only the ones I remembered from the top of my head. But both of us have a shockload of progressed planets and angles in Aquarius (me: Sun, Mercury, Venus, Lilith, Antivertex - though Venus and Lilith are preparing to enter Pisces; him: Sun, Mercury, MC; so both our DESC-rulers are in Aquarius; mine is squaring his Uranus as I mentioned, his is applying to a conjunction with my pr Sun, just after it has squared M´s pr Sun - yes M and me have pr Suns locked in 1 degree square, which makes all the sense in the world I suppose, more than the fact that our pr Moons are conjunct probably).
"e and I both have Venus-Uranus in aspect, with positive and tight Venus-Uranus syastry between ourselves. My DSC conjunct his pr DSC in Aquarius. Without all that underlying substance, maybe the Uranus "spark" wouldn't have caught fire and started roaring into a giant flame as it did. " Yes I think so. The underlying Uranus-constellations made Uranus ignite a spark instead of plunging you into a shock and make you run away from each other.
a typical getting-together-constellation (at least at the onset of relationship). Though it is separating already I think? Never mind, it might have been what drew them together and gave them the feeling it could work. The fact that it conjuncts the composite Saturn-Pluto is really mindblowing.
Which makes me think that it is interesting to check if certain progressed synastry aligns with composite placements.
Well my pr Venus is currently apply to a conjunction with P`s Priapus and SN;
the pr Venus conjunct his n Priapus will peak in july/ august 2018 (curiously coinciding with some other interesting pr synastry), at that point my pr Lilith will actually have turned retro and slowly applying back to his n Priapus as well. lol He probably won`t know where to turn.
the year after that my pr Venus on 2 Pisces will be conjunct his pr Priapus on 2 Pisces, too (seems his priapus has settled on these early degrees of Pisces, he is a bit lazy and not moving really much)
and in terms of the composite it means that my pr Venus and his pr Priapus will meet very near to composite Vesta on 2 Pisces. okay let`s go for the exact degrees and minutes. lol
1st september 2019
my pr Venus 2°07 Pisces his pr Priapus 2°07 Pisces c-Vesta 2°11 Pisces
now that is what I call a close conjunction! lol
end july 2018 my pr Venus 0°46 Pisces his n Priapus 0°46 Pisces
pr composite Pallas 29°18 Aquarius - maybe not just as impressive, but still interesting, moving from Pallas to Vesta
Well around that time (July 2018) also
my pr Moon 25 Virgo his n DESC 25 Virgo pr composite DESC 26 Virgo pr composite Vertex 27 Virgo
his pr Moon 7 Gemini his pr ASC 7 Gemini my n DESC 7 Gemini (pr c Sun 8 Aquarius and pr c Venus 7 Pisces) composite Lilith 8 Sagittarius
Well that looks like fun. lol
Anyway, I mean really checking the overlays of progressions with the composite seems to be quite interesting.
When we first met we had this for example:
my Psyche 24°02 Aqua his Psyche 25°13 Aqua his Pallas 24°20 Aqua c-Antivertex 24°59 Aquarius c-Psyche 24°37 Aquarius pr c Venus 24°29 Aquarius Tr-Neptune 24°15 Aquarius
and well Tr Neptune had been accompanying our pr c-Venus for quite some time, and in fact it was only when it detached that somehow our connection got more tangible.
BTW I just noticed that when we met this occurred as well. lol
his pr Priapus 27°56 Aquarius my n Lilith 27°57 Aquarius
oh and seems my Lilith is becoming stationary this december, and basically his Priapus and my Lilith seem to keep on hovering around each other, as his Priapus has turned direction before, not sure when, and so they are both slow and happen to move closer to each other instead of apart. lol
Hahahhahaha But you still visit him now and then; he can't complain.
Thanks for the Venus-Neptune analysis, you make perfect sense.
"I was looking at the picts. And good god!"
Okay good - not just my imagination. Her Mars on his DSC in Cancer, fawning all over him. Maybe he just doesn't like the contact in public. His 11H Mars in Sag might have more fun chatting with whatever random girl comes to sit with them.
"But then again we`ve been having Uranus-synastry in the progressions from the moment we met."
It's an impressive lineup, and no wonder that everything is so exciting.
"The fact that it conjuncts the composite Saturn-Pluto is really mindblowing."
Yes...well that's astrology! I was expecting something like that, since they come together from different backgrounds and continents. I thought there would be a strong indicator that "this is our time, this is our moment." (If anyone got lost, we're talking about Prince Harry's pr sun conjunct Meghan's pr Venus, on composite Saturn-Pluto.)
"Anyway, I mean really checking the overlays of progressions with the composite seems to be quite interesting."
Yes! Just quoting this little bit:
"pr c Venus 24°29 Aquarius Tr-Neptune 24°15 Aquarius"
WOW....and it's in Aqua, so no wonder, it all happened so suddenly really. I mean he was sniffing your hair right away. Venus-Neptunian mystery fragrance, I guess.
Hehehe this makes me wonder about my pr Venus finally entering Aqua, autumn 2019. Maybe things will get exciting somehow.
"oh and seems my Lilith is becoming stationary this december, and basically his Priapus and my Lilith seem to keep on hovering around each other"
I just read through this thread a little more thoroughly. Looked at the link you posted, Faith - yeah, he's not even looking at her. Looks distant and somewhat irritated. Maybe that was just a mood, who knows.
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